Friday, July 11, 2025

2025 Federal Post-Election Pendulum

As in 2022 I've decided to issue my own post-election pendulum for the 2025 federal election.  I've done this partly because post-election pendulums seem thinner on the ground than usual this year, but mainly for the same reason - pendulums like the Wikipedia version miss the point of what the pendulum is for by putting classic ALP vs Coalition marginal seats on the same axis as contests between the majors and the crossbench.  The seat of Wills is now very marginal on a two-candidate preferred basis between Labor and the Greens, but a swing against Labor in two-party polling (should one occur) will not predict whether that seat might fall. 

Also in doing 2PP pendulums one finds out things - such as that the Coalition is in even bigger trouble for the next election than the scale of the 2PP disaster makes obvious.  The inflated swings to Labor in marginal seats at this election have created a skewed pendulum where Labor could lose the 2PP and still win a majority.  

At this election claims of the demise of 2PP swing as a predictive tool were even harder to get away from than in 2022 ... and even less correct!  The overwhelming story of the election was the 13 classic seats that switched from the Coalition (ignoring defections) to Labor.  The six seats switching from a major party to a non-major candidate or vice versa were a sideshow, especially as for totals purposes two of them cancelled out.  There is a lot of hype about how "no seat is safe any more" but for all of that no safe seat held by a major party fell and the only 2CP-safe seat that fell at all was a Greens seat (Griffith) that was clearly marginal on a three-candidate basis.  And the odd 2CP-safe seat falling is nothing new.

Nonetheless in this day and age the story of what seats are marginal and how they are marginal is getting more and more complicated.  A decade or two ago preparing a pendulum that noted the most relevant non-classic stuff was twenty minutes' work to do a cut and paste from the official results and annotate the few edge cases.  This year I've put notes on 33 of the 137 seats won by major parties, a massive jump from 16 out of 135 in 2022.  I've also added in a Coalition vs tealoids side pendulum with some comments about such an endeavour.

The following are the conventions I use in the main pendulum:

1. If a seat was won by a major party it is shown on that major party's side and primarily by its 2PP margin, even if somebody else made the final two.  The margin vs the 2CP loser is then noted in brackets.

2. If a seat was won by a non-major candidate it is excluded from the main section of the pendulum and appears below the Opposition seats.  The 2PP winner and margin is shown in brackets.

3. Three-candidate margins are shown in the following categories, designed to shed light on all the brave new forms of marginality we have to think about these days:

* 3CP: Where a 3CP swing of 6% or less from the seat winner to some other force would be expected or known to result in that other force winning the seat instead.

* L3CP (losing 3CP): Where a 3CP swing of 6% or less from the 2CP loser to some other force would be expected or known to result in a different 2CP loser who would probably lose the 2CP by less than 6%.  

* S3CP (survival 3CP): Where a 3CP swing of 6% or less from the 2CP winner to some other force would result in that other force making the 2CP but being expected to lose by less than 6%

* E3CP (escape 3CP): Where a 3CP swing of 6% or less from the 2CP loser to some other force would result in that other force making the 2CP and being likely to win the seat.  This means that the seat winner appears to have been lucky that the 2CP opponent they actually faced was not the one who could have beaten them.

* K3CP (knockout 3CP): Where a 3CP swing of 6% or less from the 2CP winner to another force would knock out the winner by them failing to make the 2CP, but the replacement in the 2CP would not be competitive.

(There's also the case where a 3CP swing within the marginal range would replace a competitive 2CP loser with an uncompetitive one, but I haven't annotated those 

4. In the case of Bradfield, for this article I use my own 2PP estimate of 50.64 to Labor, pending any actual 2PP number the AEC will I hope sooner or later produce.  The AEC was forced to use an impartial but inaccurate estimation method to finalise the 2025 Tally Room for archiving without disturbing the ballot papers ahead of a possible court challenge, but I expect Labor did substantially better than their method.  My method is based on the national swing in independent preferences to Labor (after removing Bradfield from both 2022 and 2025 flows as best I can).  Ben Raue gets 51.1 to Labor based on the average flow change in Wentworth, Warringah and Mackellar which is another reasonable method.  

Here 'tis then (Click and open image in new tab if needed for larger clearer version).  (May still contain some typos or other errors, I'm posting a new version as they are spotted).



The seats of Forrest and Grey have attracted attention as seats where an independent narrowly missed the final two and might have won had they made the final two, suggesting that these indies may have been beaten Condorcet winners.  (Labor were beaten Condorcet winners in Ryan.) During the Grey postcount I received some detailed impressions from a scrutineer whose view was that Anita Kuss would have won the 2CP against the Liberals.  Ben Raue's estimates have the independent winning the 2CP for both seats, albeit very narrowly.  I have therefore marked both seats as E3CP.  

Pending any scrutineering information I have also so marked a third that has received less attention: Bullwinkel.  Labor barely won this three-cornered seat against the Liberals, and Liberal to National preference flows are frequently much stronger than National to Liberal.  In Bullwinkel, the Liberals received 80.7% of 1 Nationals preferences, and got 74.9% of 3CP preferences on the Nationals exclusion.  The Nationals' Mia Davies would have needed 80.8% of preferences on the Liberal exclusion to win the 2CP vs Labor if the Liberals were excluded first.  I suspect this could have happened and that Labor were lucky to face the Liberals and not Davies in the final two.

Calare saw two independents finish in the top three.  At the 3CP stage Kate Hook would have needed 66% of Andrew Gee's distribution to win the 2CP against the Nationals.  The 3CP flow from Hook to Gee was 80.8% but I've assumed it would have been much weaker the other way around, with Gee being a defecting former National.  

One of the uses of a pendulum is looking at what numbers, with a uniform swing and no change in the non-classic seats, the loser would have needed for a different result.  Here Labor won 94 seats to the Coalition's 43, off a 2PP (using my Bradfield estimate) of 55.26 to ALP.  On this basis:

* Labor loses its majority at its 19th least safe seat, Whitlam (6.25% swing, 49.01% 2PP by uniform swing, so Coalition needs 50.99%)

* The Coalition becomes the largest party on gaining Labor's 26th least safe seat, Braddon (7.2% swing, 48.06% 2PP, Coalition needs 51.94%)

* The Coalition wins a majority on gaining Labor's 33rd seat, Brisbane (8.96% swing, 46.3% 2PP, Coalition needs 53.7%).

The comparable figures for Labor 2PPs in the 2025 pre-election pendulum, treating Aston as on an average of its 2022 and by-election results, were 51.21, 48.78 and 46.13.    The Coalition's two-party vote in 2025, abysmal as it was, was even less efficiently distributed in 2025 than it was in 2022.  With a uniform swing from the actual results Labor could actually have lost the 2PP and still retained majority government!  In fact the threshhold for that to occur turned out to be more than two points lower than it appeared to be, and on that basis Labor has won this election by even more than the two-party thumping suggests.  There are similarities with Victoria 2022 in terms of just how bad the resulting pendulum is for the opposition.  

While this is just the post-election pendulum and redistributions will have an impact, I suspect the overall pattern of the pendulum strongly favouring Labor will still be with us, though the Coalition can counter that if it does a better job of appealling to a wider range of voter types across a wider range of seats.  

Teals Side Pendulum!

There are now so many Coalition vs tealish Independent 2CP seats that it's possible to construct a side-pendulum including just these seats and to look at how swings on this side-pendulum behave.  Ten seats that finished as Coalition vs such an independent in 2022 did so again in 2025 (in all ten cases the same independent; here I exclude Calare).  Another three joined them.  Here's the post-election side pendulum showing these seats.


This oversimplifies the Coalition vs teals story because of another eight seats where such independents would have been marginal on 2CP but didn't make the final two.  But it will be interesting to watch if this continues to be a common 2CP pairing.  

What's interesting here is that this side-pendulum did behave so much like an actual pendulum in 2025.  The effective 2CP swing in the ten repeat pairing seats was about 0.2% from Coalition to tealoids, using Ben Raue's post-redistribution estimates.  For whatever reasons - possibly including the impact of redistributions - there was not a Coalition to tealoids swing. The expected outcome was no change and this is what happened in terms of the total, although each side very narrowly gained one seat from the other (pending any challenge in Bradfield).  The low standard deviation on the swings (2.2%) is interesting.  There was only one with a swing as large as 4%, but unluckily for the teal side that was just enough to account for Goldstein.  The challenge with a Coalition vs tealoids pendulum is how do we find a method of projecting what is going on in these seats from national primary vote figures?  I would have expected with such a terrible national primary vote the Coalition would have struggled in these seats but it was not so much the case.  

One can do the same thing for Labor vs Greens seats as well but it's not so informative as only a few seats on that one are close (most of the close Labor vs Greens contests were the Brisbane seats that depended on 3CP exclusions).  In the six repeat Labor vs Greens 2CP contests the average swing was 3.3% to Labor but with a very high standard deviation of 4.9%.  In the same election the Greens lost Melbourne on 6.9% and came pretty close to winning Wills on 4.6% to Labor.  


This is one of a large number of goodies I'll be rolling out from the 2025 Reps election results as time permits.  

Sunday, July 6, 2025

What Can We Really Draw From The Liberal EMRS Poll?

EMRS JUNE 15-17/JUNE 29-JULY 1
FIRST WAVE LIB 32.3 ALP 28.7 GREEN 14 IND 19.2 NAT 1.8 OTHER 3.9
SECOND WAVE LIB 34.5 ALP 28.2 GREEN 13.9 IND 17.8 NAT 2.1 OTHER 3.5
The two waves are statistically more or less identical
Combined they suggest a roughly unchanged parliament 

Today's Mercury saw some numbers from a Liberal Party commissioned EMRS poll taken in two waves of 550 voters ahead of the 2025 election.  I don't include party-commissioned polls in my aggregates (it's bad enough to have to include polls commissioned by unknown forces within Tasmania's perennially bashful brown paper bag "industry groups").  In general parties will make strategic decisions on whether to release polls they have commissioned based on whether they like the results or not, and there is a lot of evidence (cf Freshwater Strategy at the federal election) that internal polls can show parties doing better than they are.  

The Liberal Party might not be delighted with the results of this EMRS polling, but it is much worse for Labor as it shows Labor making no progress towards even being the largest party.  A voter who accepts that will also most likely accept that Labor have sent us to an early election without any real prospect of forming a workable government themselves, and might well want to punish them for that.  But the Liberals are also using the figures to argue that they are in the hunt for four seats in Bass and Braddon and also that Labor might be squeezed to one in Franklin.  (Yep, 3-1-1-2.  It is a set of numbers, I suppose.)

It would be interesting to see what the breakdowns in Bass and Braddon in this two-wave poll are because the Liberal number in Franklin (39.2%, presumably from both polls combined) is 5.8 points above the Liberals's state primary vote.  One might ask when the last time the Liberal Party or even a precursor beat their statewide average by 5.8 points in Franklin and the answer is that the Anti-Socialist Party secured this triumph once in 1909!  In recent decades normally Franklin runs below the state average; it did run 2.2% ahead in 2010 but that's not easy to repeat; Will Hodgmans do not grow on trees.  If the Liberals are getting a 5.1% swing in Franklin and genuinely pushing for four in Bass and Braddon but facing a 3.3% swing against overall then their numbers in the Clark and/or Lyons subsamples would be hideous.

Placing any serious weight on EMRS subsamples of a few hundred votes is a game for mugs at the best of times but the media will never stop playing it ever.  What we most likely have here is simply a randomly off-kilter sample.  Even if we accept the numbers for Franklin at face value (Lib 39.2 ALP 23 Green 16.1 IND 21.6) the IND vote is likely to be somewhat overstated (based on experience from 2024) and even if it isn't it's doubtful that Peter George and David O'Byrne would both win from that anyway.  Perhaps they would if George was only just behind O'Byrne and they ended up more or less even and both short of quota after preferences.  But more likely off those numbers both Labor and independents would leak votes (because there are so many INDs in Franklin) but it could be neither would leak that much since Dean Winter would be somewhere around quota.  Green preferences would probably not flow strongly enough for George to overtake Labor on that.  (The weak flow of Green preferences to George over Labor was a surprise at the federal election, federal Labor's pro-salmon-industry position notwithstanding.)

I've continued to praise and often link to The Mercury's coverage when they do a good job, although they most certainly don't deserve it, but there was sad to say a fair bit wrong with the reporting of this poll and as a result I've decided no linky this time.  For starters it showed no awareness whatsoever of the concept of statistical significance.  Thus, between two waves with a sample size of only 550 each, "the Greens saw a minor 0.1 per cent decrease" (try absolutely trivial), the independent vote "softened" from 19.2 to 17.8 and the Others vote "sank" from 3.9% to 3.5%.  The in-theory margins of error on these and other changes are such that none of the changes are even remotely statistically meaningful; the chance that there was actually no real voting intention change between the two waves is high.  It's this sort of reporting of changes of, in cases, a fraction of a percent that makes many pollsters reluctant to release data to one decimal even though it would be good if more pollsters did so.  The report contained no mention of pollster-supplied margins of error (which would be 4.2% for the samples of 550 and probably around 6.6% for Franklin) despite Australian Press Council guidance that margin of error should be reported or at least taken into account.  

The bigger issue was that the report uncritically reported Liberal Party claims about the poll but there was no independent analysis of the poll and not even a he said she said from the ALP in response.  This smacks of the tendancy that I call "the unhealthy synergy" - commissioned polls that should be reported critically often manage to get compliantly written up by the media they are provided to as free stories.

The poll overall

What I can say about the poll numbers overall is they are within the ballpark of other recent polling, albeit toward the worse end for Labor.   Combined figures of Liberal 33.4 Labor 28.45 Green 13.95 IND 18.5 NAT 1.95 other 3.7 are quite similar to the DemosAU poll with Labor leading 34-26.3 that I analysed here.  If accurate the poll points towards a more or less status quo result where the majors could make small net gains from the non-Greens crossbench (simply because it is less focused in one party with a high degree of internal preference flow) but might not.  I don't expect the independent vote to be as high as 18.5 but even a similar degree of overestimation to 2024 would still put it solidly into the teens (I think something like 14% could happen), and at that level there's strong scope for more than the three independents who won last time to get up, though six combined non-Greens crossbenchers might be a stretch.  The poll also backs in DemosAU in having the Nationals polling badly.  This is, however, party-commissioned polling and only one of the four results I've seen so far was actually a public poll.

The Liberals have been effective in using commissioned polling to shape campaign narratives before, most notably in the 2018 campaign where they used a long string of MediaReach robopolls to paint a picture that only they could win a majority, which over time proved to be true.  It will be interesting to see if anything emerges to counter this one.  So far I'm not seeing this poll's state picture being met with howls of disbelief by election-watchers.  

Update Monday 7th: Seven News has reported that EMRS has projected this poll as 15-16 Liberal, 8-10 ALP, 5 Green and 4-6 Others.  While 15-10 is possible off the overall numbers, in my view it is very unlikely off the overall numbers that the Liberals would gain seats with Labor losing seats.  

Upadate Thursday 10th: The Mercury has reported another wave (the sample size a mere 518) July 6-8 with Liberals 37 Labor 26 Greens 15 IND 18 Nats 3.  I don't like to analyse samples this small in isolation however on these sorts of numbers it is likely the Liberals would increase their seat tally (for instance perhaps winning four in Braddon) while Labor may not.  

Saturday, July 5, 2025

2025 Federal Election Pollster Performance Review

NOTE FOR TASMANIAN READERS: Comments re the Liberal-commissioned EMRS poll will be added tonight (Sunday 6th), possibly around 8 pm.

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Oh no, not again ...


On the day after the 2019 federal election I did the most media interviews I have ever done in one day, eleven.  Eight of those were entirely about the same thing: the polls being wrong.  That day and in the coming days journos from as far afield as Japan and from vague memory Switzerland wanted to know how Australia had gone into an election with Labor unanimously ahead about 51.5-48.5 and come out with the Coalition winning by the same amount. Was this part of a global pattern of polls being increasingly broken and underestimating the right?  (Answers: no and no - it was just a shocker by Australia's high standards).  

The day after the 2025 federal election it was obvious something had gone astray with polling again, and by something near the same amount, but the media reception was muted.  I think I did only one interview where the polling was even part of the report's initial focus.  The ABC did an article about the polling, but it was so quarter-arsed that it omitted four final polls, initially got the 2PPs of four others wrong, and even when "corrected" continues to this day to contain errors about what the final poll 2PPs were.  There were a few other articles that were better.

Friday, July 4, 2025

What Happens If An Ineligible Candidate Wins In A Tasmanian State Election?

This article is part of my 2025 Tasmanian election coverage.  Link to main guide page including links to seat guides and voting advice.

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Something bubbling away in the state election campaign which I have so far avoided writing a full article on is the alleged controversy (and I don't believe the claims really have any merit) about Franklin Labor candidate Jessica Munday's eligibility to be elected.  However the appearance in today's Mercury (and also now Pulse) of a claim that the entire election might have to be voided and rerun over this is something that I think I should comment about.  Advance summary: no.  I also thought this was a good opportunity for a general article about ineligibility in Hare-Clark elections and what can be done about it if it occurs.  

Tuesday, July 1, 2025

There Must Be Some Way Out Of Here: YouGov and DemosAU Tasmanian Polls

YouGov Liberal 31 Labor 34 Green 13 IND 18 other 4
DemosAU Liberal 34 Labor 26.3 Green 15.1 IND 19.3 other 5.3
IND vote likely overstated in both polls
Seat estimate if YouGov poll close to accurate 13-14-4-4 (Lib-ALP-Grn-IND)
Seat estimate for DemosAU 13-11-5-4, 2 unclear 

This article is part of my 2025 Tasmanian election coverage.  Link to main guide page containing link to other articles including electorate guides.  

At the 2024 Tasmanian election, voters elected a parliament where it wasn't easy to form a government at all, and the one that was formed didn't last for long.  Labor was unwilling to even try to form a government that would have involved the dreaded Greens, and the Liberals were only willing to form a government with what was left if it was basically a Liberal government with relatively minor concessions to others.  When that ceased to be a viable option upon the loss of the key vote of Andrew Jenner, the government was unable or unwilling to adjust to the fact that it was hanging by Craig Garland's fishing line, and here we are.