Saturday, September 12, 2026

Hobart Council Voting Patterns 2022-6

Advance Summary

1. Traditionally, on contested votes the Hobart City Council is loosely divided between "pro-business" councillors and councillors who stress environmental issues and/or the interests of impacted residents. 

2. This term of Council has been highly factional and these patterns have been stronger overall than in previous terms, especially since early 2024.

3. While councillors vote independently on particular motions, all councillors across this term bar one can be classified based on how they most often vote as members of either the dominant "green/left" cluster of councillors or the minority "blue/right" grouping.

4. The only councillor who does not belong to a cluster across the whole term, Louise Bloomfield, initially tended somewhat to vote with the "green/left" side but later in the term has voted far more with the "blue/right" side, and would be a clear member of the blue/right cluster if just the later 2.5 years of data were used.

6. A possible ordering of councillors from "greenest" to "bluest" for the whole term is: Kitsos, Reynolds, Burnet (not currently on council), Sherlock, Dutta, Lohberger, Posselt, Harvey, Bloomfield, Kelly, Behrakis (not currently on council but a candidate), Coats, Elliot, Zucco

7. Each of the "green" and "blue" clusters includes members who are more or less diehard but in this term there was no relationship between this and whether that councillor is a known member of a party or not.

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Mercifully to all, the noisiest and most contentious term in the recent history of the Hobart City Council will very soon be over.  The election held by post from October 5-27 will be the second since the introduction of compulsory voting but the first since the reduction in councillor numbers from twelve to nine passed parliament with less resistance than might have been expected.  There has still been nothing done about the ludicrously low bars for running for local government, so the councillor numbers cull won't do much to stop there again being far too many candidates.  But that said the toxicity of this term might, with a conspicuous shortage of new female contenders at this stage. Darcy Murphy's tracker already lists 28 declared candidates, though that is down five on the same point in the previous cycle.

Council politics isn't party politics, and even when candidates are elected together under a party banner they are not expected to necessarily vote with each other all the time, and don't.  But it can be factional, and this tendency has waxed and waned in HCC voting over the years.  Amid what I here find to be a fully justified belief that this term of council has been very tribal, some candidates have been distancing themselves with labels such as "crossbencher", "moderate centrist" (is there some other kind?) and the good old "independent" (comes in "true" and vanilla flavours).  But the numbers tell a rather different story.  

As I noted in the 2018-22 edition, it's often hard to judge new candidates, who have no voting records to classify them alongside the incumbents.  For this reason we should be very wary of new candidates  boasting that they'll be above all this; it is untestable and it's probably not true.  But for the incumbents there is a vast store of data.  I've been classifying HCC voting patterns since the 2005-7 term (see also on this site 2011-2014 and 2014-2018.  While councillors always display some degree of independence from each other there has long been a tendency for most councillors in any given term to fall into one of two camps.  

These I've called the "blues" (the right flank of council, a generally "pro-business" cluster which often includes Liberal and ex-Liberal party members) and the "greens" (the left flank, a generally "pro-environment" cluster which often includes past and present Greens.)  Some councillors who align strongly with one of these clusters don't actually have any party history, and some councillors in any given term may not align strongly with either.  Councillors with Labor connections might be found in either cluster, and over the course of a career some councillors move in and out of clusters or in very rare cases change sides.  (OK, that's happened precisely once, and he's now done it with the river too.)

I used to write that the blue/green divide most often arises on development issues but in this term it's become clearer that it arises in different directions on different kinds of developments.  That is that there are development proposals that the "blues" like and the "greens" don't, and vice versa, depending on whose politics they are attractive to.  This is not to say that most of the items the council votes on have anything directly to do with developments.  

Historically the council tended to have more "blues" than "greens", although the "blues" struggled to win the leadership positions until the 2011-2014 and 2014-2018 terms.  In the last two elections the "green" side has won Lord Mayor and Deputy and has been increasingly competitive at councillor level, to the point that in this term it dominated the council.

Methods

The great majority of council motions are unanimous.  Often a proposed development doesn't actually bother anyone but council approval is required; these motions aren't politically interesting but it is worth noting there's a lot that councillors of different viewpoints do work together on productively. 

My interest here is in the politically informative contested motions, especially those with more than one vote on both sides.  I went through the Council minutes that have been posted for this term and recorded voting on every non-unanimous motion with a "voting record" showing.  (This can arise through divisions or through a small number of councillors asking that their dissent be recorded.)  Where a vote repeats the same pattern as an earlier vote on the same agenda item I ignore the duplicate unless it has a different winner (this mainly happens where there are ties with the voting lineup flipped - which is relevant to my assessment of which Councillors are most often on the winning and losing sides.)  If an agenda item occurs across multiple meetings (eg a resubmission of a rejected proposal) I treat the two items as distinct as frequently the conditions of the item will have changed.  

In previous articles I have only used the main full Council meetings.  In this term however the structure of council meetings changed.  Routine development applications of the form "16 BEASLEY BOULEVARD: CHANGE OF USE TO NOODLE BAR AND DUST REMOVAL" now appear in the Planning committee meetings at which, in theory but often not in practice, all councillors attend and vote.  My sample of a total of 512 motions includes 87 of these and another 11 from the Hobart Workshop Committee which also has pretty high attendance, sometimes.   Of the 512 votes used, 405 were "multiply contested", meaning at least two voters on each side.  I use these as my main measure of voting alignment - the lone dissents can be idiosyncratic and can be more about whether a particular councillor can be bothered having their dissent recorded, though there are some patterns within them.

Behind planning applications, a rather high number of contested motions this term were about council policies for the city, and internal governance also featured prominently.  CBD issues (such as Collins Street bike paths and scramble crossings), responses to state government on local government related discussions and short stay accommodation were also common items.   The 2022 election was strongly influenced by the University of Tasmania city move but it has been a fairly minor player in voting patterns in this term.  For all the noise heard from time to time about council involvement in overseas issues (eg Gaza) these accounted for under 1% of all contested votes in this term.  

For each pair of councillors I find all multiply contested votes where they both voted and find how often they agreed and disagreed with each other.  This results in an agreement matrix which I then sort into loose groups, calculate agreement ratios involving councillors from each group and then put in order.  This Council term saw two mid-term changes, first with Will Coats replacing Simon Behrakis and secondly with Gemma Kitsos replacing Helen Burnet.  This means Behrakis was never on this Council together with Coats or Kitsos and Burnet was never on it with Kitsos.  I've assigned some estimates of how often they would have voted together based on surrounding percentages for the purposes of the largely useless principal components graph below  (78%, 26% and 80% respectively)

My sample for this council goes to the end of August.  The manual data entry is not guaranteed to be error free but any errors should be immaterial to the overall patterns.  I don't have time to do articles like this for all councils but am again intending a smaller scale article for Clarence subject to time and will consider doing them for other councils if somebody else constructs an appropriate spreadsheet of votes from those councils' minutes (contact me to discuss if interested but I will be offline a lot between Sep 17-30).

Participation in contested votes

The following is my record of how often each councillor voted on contested motions (including lone dissents) that are recorded in my sample (which as discussed above omits most duplicates).  General council meetings are now monthly.  The other committees I include meet more often but will not always generate any contested votes at a meeting.  Councillors are often absent from contested votes because they are on leave, either travelling away from Hobart (often on official council business including "professional development") or with other commitments.  Louise Elliot was also suspended for some meetings in the term.  Councillors must leave the room to avoid voting on motions they have conflicts of interest on.  Conflict of interest is, mostly, quite broadly defined and can even include just having commented strongly on an issue before it came before Council.  However, absence (for all or part of a meeting) is by far the larger cause of not voting for most councillors.

These figures are not the same as attendance figures (simple ratios of how many meetings a councillor was present at), which tend to be somewhat higher.  Raw attendance figures can be somewhat misleading because some councillors are more likely than others to attend only part of a meeting for whatever reason, and some are more likely to abstain through conflict of interest.  On the other hand, a councillor with a high attendance rate might just happen to miss the meeting at which there were many contested divisions.  I give what I get, unofficially, as the rate of recorded full Council meeting attendance up til the end of August 2026 in the final column.


Despite criticism of some councillors' attendance rates - in particular Coats was at one stage called a "FIFO councillor" because he missed a number of planning meetings while working in Melbourne - the average "Voted On" score in this council is actually identical to the previous term at 90%.  

Under the Local Government Act, if a councillor remains in the room and does not vote with either side of a motion then this "abstention" is classed as a vote against.  Such "abstentions" have been extremely rare on Hobart Council in the past despite a culture of them happening often on Clarence council.  However this term saw a record total of twelve - five by Mike Dutta, two each by Bill Harvey, Elliot and Louise Bloomfield and one by Ben Lohberger.  Those by Dutta were all around the investigation into the long-running home snacks affair involving Zelinda Sherlock (his daughter); these "abstentions" were rightly controversial (and I believe have since ceased) as in some cases they were converted to a vote against taking action.  One of the Harvey "abstentions" was also contentious as it caused a motion to double rates on whole-home short-stay accommodation to fail, which led to friction between Harvey and Ryan Posselt especially and unsuccessful calls for the Greens (who at state level support reining in short-stay) to disendorse Harvey.

Lone Dissents and Losing Votes

Some other things I look at include who casts the most lone dissents and who is most often on the losing side of motions.  The following table is ordered by who is least often on the losing side of multiply contested motions (those which have at least two votes on either side).  It also includes each councillor's rate of lone-dissenting (out of all motions they voted on) and how often each councillor is on the losing side of all motions.  I have changed the ordering to least often for a reason.


In this term Marti Zucco was by far the commonest lone dissenter with 36 lone dissents; Posselt had 14 and Coats ten.  At the other end of the scale Lohberger and Sherlock had one each and I didn't find any for Kitsos.  Kitsos was the least often on the losing side of a motion, and what is unusual about that is that in past councils often the councillor who is least often on the losing side is a key swing vote in the centre of the council.  But in this council, the sorting of least to most often on the losing side very closely matches the left to right sort I give below, and the lone dissent rate also matches to a degree.  (Posselt is a bit of an exception on both fronts, and that is not surprising given that he is an ALP member whereas the rest of the left is mostly Greens or councillors with past Green connections).

Despite the larger sample there were only 27 tied votes in this term, down from 44 in the previous.  The change to nine councillors will get rid of tied votes in cases where everyone is voting, but they can still happen when an odd number of councillors are not voting.

Agreement Matrix

The following matrix shows how often (as a percentage) each councillor voted with each other councillor, subject to them both being present and to there being at least two councillors on each side of the vote.  For instance, the matrix shows 2022 mayoral rivals John Kelly and Anna Reynolds voted together in such contested motions 32% of the time. With apologies to colour-challenged readers, I've used dark green and dark blue to highlight agreement scores above 75% (a commonly used cutoff for finding clusters in this kind of work) and lighter green and blue to highlight scores that are close to that level, in the range 70-74%.


A strong disclaimer again here: "green" for the alignment scores means small-g and not the party; I've even taken out the capitals.  

Party affiliations are shown in brackets and by colour where known, though only the Greens formally endorsed candidates on any scale.  If any councillors are no longer in the party shown, please let me know and I will update or remove that party listing.  Elliot - who was briefly a Liberal - joined the Tasmanian Nationals in September 2025 but with the party recently polling 0.1% in a state poll there is speculation about whether this membership still exists, together with speculation that she could join One Nation and seek state or federal office for said party.  Nothing has been confirmed though there appears at least to be some level of social media co-ordination from time to time.  If any of the above party memberships were incorrect as of 12 Sep 2026 then please let me know and the table will be corrected.

The table shows the usual clusters.  In the top left is a cluster of eight councillors with agreement percentages with each other generally over 70%, in most cases over 75% and in one case (Kitsos-Reynolds) rising to 90%.  In the bottom right is a cluster of four councillors with agreement percentages with each other all between 76% and 85%.  The only councillor not belonging to either cluster for the term as a whole (and not close to belonging to one either, but see below) is Bloomfield.  I find all the rest to very clearly belong strongly to one cluster or the other across the term, though there are still differences in the strength of this (eg Kelly is much closer to the centre than Zucco).  I've classed them all as "strongly" to one side to emphasise the difference with previous councils.

On the right hand side the "score" column gives a ratio between how often the councillor agrees with the two clusters.  (For the purposes of calculating this, agreement percentages with Burnet and Behrakis - except with each other - have been downweighted by 70% given they were off council for most of the term.)  If the councillor agrees more with the green/left cluster it is coloured green while if they agree more with the blue/right cluster it is coloured blue ... noting here that "right" and "left" are relative to this council.  

What is notable here is how large these ratios are, much higher than I am used to finding. It is not that the values at the ends of the chart are extreme; indeed they're not.  Rather there are no cases of moderate members of either cluster who might agree with some members of the other cluster well over 40% of the time and hence get a ratio of something like 1.5; indeed there is no cross-cluster agreement score between any pair higher than 36%.  This is a sign that this Hobart council is the most factionalised I have seen, beating the tail end of the previous council in that regard.  

Is this just because the moderate or unusual councillors from both sides in the previous term lost their seats and the previous councillors are still voting the same way with respect to each other but have just been joined by new less moderate councillors? No.  Looking at the agreement percentages involving six councillors still on council who served in the previous term (Harvey, Dutta, Reynolds, Sherlock, Coats and Zucco) the average agreement between the four on the green side is up from 74.3 to 79.8.  Their average agreement with Coats and Zucco is down from 29 to 22.9.  (That said Coats/Zucco is down from 85 to 81).  

Looking at Bloomfield's voting patterns one notices the unusually high agreement percentage with Burnet and the low agreement percentage with Behrakis, when based on the rest of Bloomfield's voting one would expect the opposite.  And there is a reason for this, which is that Bloomfield's voting behaviour from early 2024 on has been strikingly different from 2022-3.  If I just take the period when Burnet and Behrakis were both still on Council, Bloomfield voted with the average "green/left" councillor 65.6% of the time and the average "blue/right" councillor 42.5% of the time, for a ratio of 1.54 to the green side, so I would classify her as green/left leaning for this period.  However if I take the period after both Burnet and Behrakis had been replaced, Bloomfield voted with the average green/left councillor just 36% of the time and the average blue/right councillor 73% of the time, which would make her a clear member of the blue/right cluster in this time with a ratio of 2.21 the other way.  (Just shy of Kelly across the term, but in this part of the term Kelly himself was more polarised and would score a ratio over 3).  

On that basis looking at the Council as it finishes the term, there's an argument that everyone is now on a side most of the time and there aren't any serious crossbenchers, though some vote across the aisle much more than others.  Defections on the left side on individual votes often prompt a lot of criticism especially if they cause that side to lose the vote - I mentioned Harvey on short-stay accommodation above, another was Lohberger in May 2024 on the soon-after modified and approved St Vincent de Paul Argyle St proposal.  But these are the exceptions rather than the rules.  

In two dimensions, for what it's worth

Something I've always done with these voting pattern charts for Council is a two-dimensional principal components analysis graph to see if it picks up anything different on trying to squash the voting patterns into two variables instead of one.  Last time this was interesting, but what I generally find is that the first variable that the graph picks up is the left/right split and often the second variable doesn't explain anything much and is just driven by the voting pattern of a councillor who isn't part of a cluster.  And that has happened again this year with the second axis being basically how Bloomfieldy a councillor was or wasn't given what else we know about them, and that in turn is determined mostly by when they were on council.  The left-right axis picks up 92% of variation in voting patterns so the 2D plot is probably only useful for amusement but anyway here it is.  


(The 6 councillor cluster on the left is, from top to bottom, Lohberger, Dutta, Kitsos, Sherlock, Reynolds, Posselt)

The road ahead

The Council is being culled from twelve to nine but with Reynolds and Kitsos retiring and Coats not visibly recontesting at this stage it looks like nine incumbents will seriously recontest for nine seats (six of them running for Lord Mayor alongside at least four off-council candidates and three running for Deputy alongside Behrakis and at least three other off-council candidates).  

If everyone who appears to be running again retains then the new numbers would be a 5-4 or 5-3-1 (depending on how one classifies Bloomfield) majority for the left, but I think it is unlikely all will retain, and despite Hobart's leftness as a city I am not certain the green/left side will retain five after a pretty turbulent term.  Aside from any chance of a shift in numbers back towards the blue side, there are significant challenges from within on both sides (on the blue side obviously Behrakis given his profile and past HCC results, but there are others.)  On the Lord Mayor front if we take the 2022 votes as a starting point then Kelly seems the candidate to beat (though Harvey could poll a high primary vote as the Greens candidate in a Reynolds-free field); has anyone else picked up enough of a following in the 2022-6 term to do so?  

I will as usual be covering the elections with a candidate and election guide in the near future and coverage of the counting.  

Disclaimer

Any comment about this article in any form that reaches either me or anyone related to me will be considered on the public record, especially if stated otherwise.  This is to prevent candidates from attempting to covertly influence my commentary. 

Sunday, September 6, 2026

uComms: Tas Labor Getting Run Out Of The Stadium

 uComms Tas (state) Lib 26.8 ALP 21.8 ON 18.4 Grn 15.9 IND 15.0 SFF 1.6 Nat 0.1 others 0.5
Seat estimate Lib 10 ALP 9 ON 8 Grn 4-5 IND 3-4

Today came the unexpected surprise of a new uComms poll of Tasmanian state voting intention commissioned by the anti-stadium group Our Place, trading for polling purposes as Macquarie Point Vision Limited.  The poll had a sample size of 1164 and was taken 26-27 August by robopoll and SMS.  Before we get too carried away with this poll I should point out that these are both methods I treat with a high degree of caution and that uComms' record in recent Tas state final polling has been erratic.  It underestimated the Liberals by 7 points in 2021 and underestimated Labor by 6 in 2024.  Nonetheless I'll unpack the voting intentions in this poll for those interested and then comment on the stadium questions.

uComms presents results in a somewhat challenging format with a headline question with undecided included as an option alongside several parties, and then a follow-up question that asks the voters who are initially undecided which option they are leaning to.  To convert the results into a format equivalent to other polls it is necessary to multiply the results of the follow-up question by the undecided rate and add them to the headline numbers.  In this case, the Nationals and Others options were not offered in the follow-up, which will have deflated them slightly and robbed the Nationals of their chance to reach the giddy heights of 0.2%.  

When converted, the numbers are overall very similar to the most recent EMRS poll.  A reading of 21.8 (the raw reading actually has a one in front of it) is another poll where Labor hasn't reached Josh Willie's milestone/millstone of 30% by Christmas; in fact it is their worst reading yet.  The numbers are just a little stronger for the Liberals and a little weaker for One Nation and this flows through on my seat model, for which I've just applied uniform swings to my model for the EMRS poll:



 On my model of this poll there is a small chance that the independent vote would be concentrated enough with George Razay to give him some hope of getting over One Nation if their ticket was leaky enough, but more likely One Nation would win two in Bass.  The interesting point is Braddon where the Labor vote is now low enough that it's possible the Liberals could win three seats, though it is much more likely Green preferences and leakage would save Labor's second.  Clark raises the same question about one or two independents as in the EMRS poll and the rest are straightforward.  The most likely result is the same: 10 Liberal, 9 Labor, 8 One Nation, 4-5 Greens and 3-4 Independents.  However it's not far off a bigger seat lead for the government.  

The poll includes a standard platform question of who a voter not supporting Labor or Liberal would preference higher, with 59.7% picking Labor, which would give Labor a 52.5% 2PP.  Except Hare-Clark doesn't work like that and many voters for other parties would preference neither.  In any case the most likely result, for the third poll in a row, would be a Liberal/One Nation majority of one seat.  The poll also has some interesting breakdowns, with the One Nation vote being concentrated among male voters (by a factor of nearly two to one) and peaking in my generation, voters aged 51-65.  I can only put on my best Kevin Rudd imitation voice and intone "On behalf of Generation X, I am sorry."  

Also deserving comment here is the 0.1% reading for the Tasmanian Nationals (I add that all the 0.1% were over 65).  This party ran a shambolic campaign at the state election, polling 1.6% after making contradictory candidate choices and being all over the map on what they would do if elected, failing to exploit anti-stadium sentiment and endorsing one of the state's most infamous anti-gay campaigners (who they then ghosted during the campaign).  It is surely time now for the following message to be sent to the federal Nationals office regarding these embarrassing attempts to make the Nationals a thing in Tasmania: Your attempts are futile here.  Go away and this time don't come back.

Stadium Questions

The main point of this poll was issue questions on the stadium, which I am not going to post vast detail of but which as usual with issue polls need to be examined critically.

The first question is "Do you agree or disagree with the following statement? The full cost of the proposed stadium in Tasmania should be disclosed to Parliament and the public?" This unsurprisingly gets an overwhelming 74.4-9.1 (16.4% neutral) thumbs up, after all how could this possibly be a bad thing?  But the thing here is that a great many voters have probably not been exposed to the debate about disclosing the current estimated cost, and hence would not be aware that there is a counter-argument.  The government has argued that disclosing an expected cost could weaken the state's position in the tender process.  Another issue with the question is it doesn't say when.  Another is that it doesn't canvass that the full cost can hardly be known at this time.  And so on.  

The second question is "If the proposed stadium costs more than $1.13 billion, who do you think should be responsible for the cost?"  The results are Tasmanian Taxpayers 5.7% The AFL 55.7% Both the taxpayers and the AFL 26.3% Someone else 5.9% Don't know 6.5%.  Some other options that might have been interesting to include here would be the Federal Government and AFL fans.  I like this question, irrespective of the fact that it is highly unlikely the cost excess would be borne by anyone other than the taxpayers.  (Not only that but if the state is too slow constructing the stadium, the state will be up for $4.5 million a year in penalties, an utterly ridiculous clause that should see the AFL reclassified as a terrorist organisation for even having had the gall to try it on, and the government required to crowdsource the penalties itself for signing it.)  Unsurprisingly Liberal voters are the least likely to say the AFL should pay, probably because stadium supporters tend to be pro-Liberal and are likely to see the proposal that the AFL should pay as a threat to the project.  

The third question is "If the proposed stadium costs more than $1.13 billion, how should the additional cost of borrowed money be funded?"  This is a forced choice between "Increased taxes" (36.4%) and "Reduction in government services and spending" (63.6%).  There are so many other options here - a levy on tickets to the stadium and increasing government debt (shudder) spring to mind; still the breakdowns are somewhat interesting.  Greens voters (59.8%) are most likely of the major options to support increasing taxes while One Nation voters (18.6%) are least likely (probably because they like the idea of reducing government spending anyway).  

The fourth question is "Do you agree or disagree with the following statement?  "The Tasmanian Government has handled the proposed stadium well?" 30.7% agree (including 13.0% strongly) and 50.0% disagree (37.7% strongly).  This is broadly in line with the long-standing unpopularity of the stadium proposal but after three questions about the possibility of cost blowouts and the government's attitude to disclosing the cost the respondents are more likely to agree that the government has not done well.  There's quite a strong gender break on this one, as with several of the others (36.8% of male respondents vs 24.7% of female respondents agree).  There don't seem to be any party breakdowns for this question.  

Friday, September 4, 2026

The Flat Field: Another "Polls Are Wrong" Vid Gets It Wrong!

Five years ago I debunked a drippy poll denial video by the supposedly left wing West Media. Now here from Topher Field (not that he deserves that link) is the nearest right-wing equivalent to West's cavalcade of cluelessness.  In a video entitled "Preference Discipline is EVERYTHING" but advertised with images that say "THE POLLS ARE WRONG [AND WHY YOU ALREADY KNEW THAT]" Field, a glibertarian, sets out to show that polls that estimate One Nation vs Labor "2PPs" are underestimating One Nation.  The funny thing is that there are quite strong arguments that that is true.  He doesn't make them.  Within the first ninety seconds, Field has already showed he is totally out of his depth.


Field Doesn't Know How Polls Work

While talking in front of tweeted results of recent Redbridge and Morgan polls, Field says that these pollsters - and not just these pollsters but all the national and state polls - are using out of date data or guesses to calculate preference flows.  But in the case of One Nation vs Labor, neither of these pollsters does this.  Both calculate their preference flows simply by asking respondents which party they would preference higher.  This is hardly obscure information either - Morgan prominently states it uses this method in all its weekly polling reports, and reports on Accent Research's website make it very clear for Redbridge/Accent (see p. 3 on this one, where both methods have results shown for Coalition vs Labor but only respondent for One Nation vs Labor).   The funny thing is that very briefly some pollsters were attempting to use 2025 House of Reps preference flows but were dissuaded from doing so after I and others pointed out that this would make the flows to One Nation too high.

Currently five federal pollsters are releasing One Nation vs Labor federal shadow-2PPs - Morgan, Redbridge/Accent, YouGov, Spectre and Fox&Hedgehog.  All of them use respondent preferences.  Respondent preferences are actually problematic for estimating One Nation vs Labor because close to half of Coalition voters conventionally copy how to vote cards.  So if the Coalition recommends preferences to One Nation again then many of the Coalition voters who say they will preference Labor will actually end up preferencing One Nation.  This is the argument Field should be making if he wants to have a go at pollsters' One Nation vs Labor figures, but he hasn't bothered to do the most basic reading on how polls are actually working so he cannot do that.

He's therefore tilting at a strawman when he claims at around 2:20 that old preference flow data can't be valid when One Nation's primary has jumped fourfold, but even then he misses his imaginary opponent.  In the South Australian election despite the massive primary vote shifts, the flow of preferences involving the Coalition and One Nation was largely as expected based on modelling off the 2025 Senate election where One Nation polled a way lower vote.  And the reason his claim here is wrong is that while Coalition voters who used to rank Labor above One Nation could have become more inclined to put the now more popular One Nation ahead of Labor, that can easily be cancelled out by the Coalition voters who used to rank One Nation above Labor becoming straight 1 One Nation voters.  Every time a voter flips from the Coalition-ON-Labor ordering to ON-Coalition-Labor, the overall preference flow from the Coalition to One Nation vs Labor weakens.  Some people are quite obsessed with the idea that this means the Coalition to One Nation flows will actually be much weaker than implied by past Senate flows - as if only moderates are still voting Liberal - but I'm extremely unconvinced of that.  I think the two things roughly cancel out.

If Field had actually bothered to learn how polls actually do the One Nation vs Labor figures, he would have seen that a voter for some other party who had switched to putting One Nation above Labor without switching to voting 1 One Nation would have actually been picked up by the pollster based on the methods the pollsters are actually using.  And he would have realised that the fact that pollsters get relatively weak flows to One Nation - even if they are wrong in so doing because of how to vote cards - is actually fatal to his argument about why flows should have shifted.  So three minutes down, and two complete blunders by Topher.

Field Doesn't Know How Preferences Flow

From the fourth minute of the video he is going to tell us that the Secret Harbour results show that preferences are now flowing from the Liberals to One Nation in "unprecedented percentages".  This is in spite of the general psephosphere reaction to this by-election having been that the preference flows to One Nation were actually somewhat weaker than we were expecting!  (Something that may have been explained by many things including the Liberals having the donkey vote which flowed to Labor on a long ballot paper, overlapping federal MP Andrew Hastie's criticisms of One Nation, the Liberals picking up votes from Labor that then returned to Labor as preferences, the One Nation candidate being a former cocaine user and so on ... the reason doesn't matter, what does is that nobody has previously claimed the preference flow to One Nation from the Liberals was strong.) 

He claims he'll do this (while boasting about being "nerdy" - no mate, nerds don't get their numbers wrong, this is the difference between nerds and cranks) by comparing the data from Secret Harbour to data from Farrer to show that things are quickly changing to One Nation's benefit.  

After a few minutes of waffling Field claims that in Secret Harbour One Nation got about 89% of the preferences from the Liberals, Libertarians, Australian Christians and Shooters Fishers and Farmers combined.  Where did he get these numbers?  He's actually done this - and please remove any sharp objects from a radius of 20 metres before you read the next bit as you could well roll at least that far on the floor laughing - he's observed that One Nation went from 39.04% primary to 57.15% 2CP, a gain of 18.11 points.  He's observed that those parties together got 20.31% of the vote.  And he's divided one by the other!  

That would work if every other parties' preferences flowed 100% to Labor.  But they don't, and if Field had bothered letting even the slightest research get in the way of his theory he would have, like, looked at past elections to see what they do - just like he looked at Farrer.  So in Hunter 2025 Stuart Bonds (who scraped into the top two against Labor) got 48.5% of Legalise Cannabis voter preferences and 12.6% from the Greens.  But Field has set these both, as well as Animal Justice, four independents and even the fairly right wing Western Australia Party, all to a flow rate of zero!  

Suppose I set the flow rate from the Greens and Legalise Cannabis at the same as Hunter and implausibly assume everyone else flowed 70-30 to Labor, then suddenly Field's 89% preference flow from the mainly Liberal right wing sources falls to 69%.  Before too long we will see an actual preference flow from the Liberal exclusion point (which includes voters for other parties who put the Liberals above One Nation and Labor) and it will be nothing like 89% to One Nation.  [Edit: Antony Green has reported the flow from Liberal from a sample of about half the votes was in fact 70.2% - and that's a sample confined to the Secret Harbour prepoll place where One Nation did well (the sample included a small number of day votes).  On that basis it is likely that the overall flow from Liberal to One Nation was in the high 60s.]

The Problem With Poking The Bear

And oh dear.  I didn't know this was coming when I drafted the above text but eight minutes in Field has mentioned me, at length!  He starts by claiming that a psephologist is "an election forecaster and political pundit", which suggests he didn't do his work on that bit either - most of psephology is not forecasting, and all of it is the opposite of punditry.  

He then goes on to dispute my twitter bio claim to have "no party loyalties" but becomes yet another person to misunderstand it.  Amazingly it means exactly what it says: that I am not loyal to a party.  It doesn't mean that I am politically neutral, or have no views against any parties, or regard all equally.  If I meant to say "apolitical" I would have said it.  As I noted on the recent Poll Position pod, which Topher could have watched if he was so fascinated by me or had the slight interest in not making an even further twit of himself, the point of that line is just to warn people who are followers of any party that sooner or later I am going to have a go at it.  Some parties more than others of course, and currently One Nation about a dozen times a day, but you get that.  So Topher, you can take your advice about how to act while claiming to be neutral and give it to someone who actually makes that claim; I don't.  What I do claim is that I can have political views while also delivering neutral and accurate analysis of election results.  But thanks at least Topher for publicising my views, in particular on the rampant sookery of One Nation and the problem of fake patriots!

(He also suggests I treat Crikey as a reliable source.  In fact I treat all its pieces like any other media on their merits; he should see what I've said about Bernard Keane lately.)

Topher gets so fired up about his misinterpretation of three words in a microblogging bio that after a few minutes of this nonsense he declares that he has "no respect for [me] as a human being"!  Oh no I am so wounded, as if I would want the respect of anyone who is unable to read.  And then he declares I haven't done the work to understand myself, when he has so far showed that he has not done the work to understand: pollster preferences, the preference shift argument he is using, how preferences actually flow in elections, or what I mean by a term that actually means what it says.  And that's all in the first eleven minutes! To be accused of intellectual laziness by Topher Field, well ...

Now we're on to Field's next blunder.  Having blathered on about owning biases while failing to disclose that I have criticised him in the past and somehow ended up residing rent free in his head - accuses me of attempting to "control the narrative coming out of the Secret Harbour by-election" about One Nation's preference flows.  For some reason he does this by highlighting a tweet where I'm pointing out that One Nation's preference flows were actually not so bad as it looked earlier in the night, which is hardly the action of someone hellbent on claiming that their preference flows were crap.  Also if he actually bothered to read more of what I had said about the by-election, then far from using Secret Harbour to build a narrative of weak flow to One Nation, he would see I have repeatedly disputed attempts to generalise from it to predicting flows at other elections, and rejected calls to weaken flows in my own model because of it. So again, Topher cannot read, he doesn't do his research, and he doesn't care if he represents people he is criticising accurately.  

He goes on with some pseudomathematical babble about the 49% flow of preferences to One Nation being a supposed irrelevant denominator.  After several minutes of him again pretending to be a nerd with a brief break for flogging his merch, his complaint about this is that I am talking about an overall preference flow.  At present it's the only flow we have.  The fact is that overall flow to One Nation was somewhat lower than I would expect based on how the preferences of all the parties contesting have flowed in other contests.  And it's not just me who got that either - all the sources doing on the night projections were expecting the overall flow, given who the primary votes were for, to be over 50%.  In doing those models we were all already factoring in that voters for the Greens have very strong "preference discipline" to Labor.  But very strong is not 100%, or even nearly 100%, and even the difference between 100-0 and 90-10 can be a big deal in these cases.  As for the rest of the left, only Victorian Socialists nationally really display similar preference flows to the Greens.  Animal Justice were only 66% to Labor vs Coalition at the last federal election, Legalise Cannabis only 61% (and there is a lot of overflow between their support base and One Nation's, so the figure to Labor vs One Nation is probably weaker) and so on.  So Field just doesn't have a clue because, again, he hasn't done his research.  He has also chucked all the very random independents in this seat and even the WA Party in with the "left".

He gets back to Farrer where he claims the flow of 38.1% of preferences at the 3CP point from the Liberals to Michelle Milthorpe ahead of David Farley is evidence of preference indiscipline on the right.  But Farrer is a very local electorate and some people may have chosen the order Liberal-IND-ON based on which candidates they knew.  Another factor here is that the Liberals drew top spot on the ballot and the donkey vote flowed to Milthorpe.  Some Liberals may have been unconvinced that Farley was a real right winger anyway.  Candidate gender could have affected preference flows especially with Farley's past comments about Julia Gillard.  And so on.  Eventually he admits to some of these factors in one of the video's few moments of passing sanity, as well as noting that Farrer was independent vs One Nation and not a valid baseline for a Labor vs One Nation flow.  So, why did he even mention it?  I should also note on Farrer that breakdowns of preference flow by party voted for exist (and show the 1 Liberal flow to Farley was only 59% while the 1 Nationals flow was 69%); there is no need to just use the Liberal 3CP flow to talk about these things.  

26 minutes in he spells out what I'd already worked out - that he has assumed every single one of the preferences received by One Nation came from the right, although this assumption is patently ludicrous and shows him up as someone who should just shut up about election statistics forever.

Field then gets back to the Morgan poll.  He takes the 29.5 for Labor and adds the 13.5 from Greens (with their alleged 100% preference flow) and gets 42 (it's actually 43).  Then he queries where Labor gets the rest from.  And here he makes a still further blunder in thinking that Others is entirely other parties (left and right).  He ignores the fact that much of it is independents (or the ex-independents in Community Strong), whose preferences flow increasingly to Labor.  Indeed if he was being consistent with his Secret Harbour methods he would give Labor all the independent preferences, at which point Labor are getting more like three-quarters of others and even off his (wrongly low) 11% off the right Labor would get to something around 55-45 vs One Nation anyway.  Field wants to have his cake and eat it too - he wants to give Labor 8.8 points out of 11.8 for Others in Secret Harbour on a platter (a flow of at least 74.5%) but when it comes to the national polls he suddenly wants to cut Labor's flow from others down to half because he's forgotten that teals exist.   

This whole video by Field is a self-parodying shambles but it has somehow had a hundred thousand views.  I previously reviewed one of Field's marbles videos on here and while it had some serious flaws I think I gave it a fair go, and pointed out that Field at that time wasn't being angry and dumb about preferences and was at least trying to do the right thing by the so-called freedom movement.  But his latest video is angry and dumb about everything it touches and strongly recalls the crankery of the failed 2012 US Unskewed Polls movement - and such a waste when there was actually a valid point that was begging to be made against respondent preferencing.  Not one that would lift One Nation to victory at the moment, but one that could be worth, say, two points for them nationwide compared with the average of the respondent polls.

Libertarians for Fascism Unite!

One final thing I will say here.  I may not have that many libertarian bones in my body these days, but I do still have a lot more than One Nation.  And one thing I remember about this movement is that you're not supposed to hand it to the fash, or anything resembling fascism in any way.  A week after One Nation were whinging about the PM calling them dangerous, and on the same day of Topher's latest drooling about the rise of this party who he considers to be mostly freedom's friends, Cory Bernardi ripped off Trump (again) and tweeted "We will end the transgender movement."  Many within Australia's struggling libertarian movement made common cause with the alt-right and the far-right during the lockdowns.  If they are to stand true to the principles they claim they need to unmake it and fast.

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Updates 

Antony Green has published this.

I've been alerted to a second Topher Field video with more nonsense, posted to Youtube four days ago and Facebook yesterday.  In this one he starts by claiming One Nation outperformed their polling.  There simply was no seat polling for the Secret Harbour by-election (and as for betting markets being wrong, Sportsbet was wrong, Bet 365 was right, and who cares about betting anyway).  Field also wrongly says that no-one saw the result coming; local expert Martin Drum for instance correctly predicted that One Nation would win easily.  

Otherwise the video is just the nonsense I have dealt with above plus more tryhard attempts to call himself a nerd and general guff in favour of One Nation.  He also claims that 2-4% of voters cast donkey votes from top to bottom.  The donkey vote is generally at most 0.5% these days.   It was higher before party names appeared on the ballot.   If Field was actually capable of mathematical thought he would realise his claims were inconsistent here - if 2% of voters donkey vote then that caps the Liberal to One Nation flow at a maximum of 88.4% even if every other Liberal voter preferences One Nation, which of course wouldn't happen.  

10 Sep

Judgment day has come quickly for Field (who despite his thoroughly unchristian behaviour on this matter has been recently seen quoting Bible passages on twitter) in the form of the release of the actual preference distributions.  These show that at the exclusion of the Liberal candidate, a mere 59.3% of preferences flowed to One Nation (even lower than the same stage in Farrer!) and 40.7% to Labor.  However the flow rate from 1 Liberal voters would have been higher; 20.6% of the Liberal-exclusion votes came from non-Liberal candidates.  What is interesting here is that this caps the flow from 1 Liberal voters at a mathematical maximum of 74.7% - and to even get that high one would have to assume that the voters who voted for minor right parties with preferences to Liberal all then preferenced Labor.  So Field's estimate of the flow was wrong by a bare minimum of 14 points but probably low 20s.  

The distribution also shows Field's assumption of essentially zero flow from not-clearly-right candidates being falsified by One Nation gaining 1082 preferences at the exclusions of such candidates.  That's 22.9% of their combined primary vote and 3.9% of all votes, but the actual 2CP flow from such candidates to One Nation would be higher than 22.9% because some would have flowed to right candidates and then to ON.  If Field had assumed such a flow from the not-clearly-right candidates then his 89% flow from right candidates would have instead been capped at 70%.  

Friday, August 28, 2026

Secret Harbour By-Election: Prospects And Live

Secret Harbour (ALP 11.54%)
George Tree (ALP) vs Luke Herdegen (ON), Ryan Robertson (Lib) and way too many others
Cause of by-election: resignation of Paul Papalia (ALP)

CALLED (9:34) One Nation gain from Labor
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Sunday 10:50 am I am not sure we'll ever see a Labor vs Liberal 2PP for this seat but I estimate that the Liberals would have won it, around 52-48 (by normal preference flows it would be around 53 but I have reduced that on account of it being a normally weak seat).  This suggests Labor would have lost this seat even without the One Nation surge.  Given that the average swing in government by-elections is around 5% an implied swing of 13.5% is high, but also Labor are coming off a still high baseline from the last election, which would account for some of it.  

With results like this there is always a lot of talk about high swings, but the 2CP swing is not meaningful as it is not the same combatants.  The swing against the Labor 2CP is what I call a pseudo-swing; both the pseudo-swing and my estimate of the 2PP swing are lower than in Rockingham 2023.

Sunday 6:00 am What has happened in the prepolls is that Herdegen has actually got a preference flow more like I was expecting for the by-election as a whole, 52.8% (which is not surprising given how strong the prepolls were on primaries for One Nation), and so the result has gone back to the high 50s, 57-43 at present, that was expected before the bad preference flows came in.  Overall now One Nation has 49% of preferences.  From the primaries I would have expected them to get about 52.7% without considering the ballot order, which would close at least a little of the gap.  

Friday, August 21, 2026

EMRS: Thirty Or Turkey By Christmas?

EMRS Lib 26 (+1) ALP 23 (-1) ON 21 (+2) Grn 16 (+2) IND 14 (-2) others 1 (-1)

Seat estimate (new boundaries) Lib 10 ALP 9 ON 8 Green 5 IND 3

The latest EMRS poll is out as released on the Poll Position pod and the changes on state voting intentions are all within the in-theory margin of error from the previous edition.  There would be mild relief for the government that the dramatic slide in its numbers in the past few polls has stopped.  But political tragics could only have eyes for the ALP figure after leader Josh Willie was reported to have set a target of polling a 30% primary by Christmas.  (Something I somehow, in a feat tantamount to winning the Last Man contest for not knowing the Superbowl winner, managed to not find out about for a month!)  

This figure has led to predictable jibes from opponents that not only will Labor not attain this heroic goal (oh for the days when they were forever stuck around 30) but that Willie will instead be gone as leader by Christmas. Although Labor's primary has actually held up better to the One Nation surge than might have been expected, there seems to be an unusual level of Labor leadership chatter about.  It's hard to tell if it is serious or if a lot of people are just and quite rightly bored.  Some of it is connected to the issue that continues to dog (pun intended) the Opposition, with a Thick Of It style nadir when Willie was photographed defending Labor's unfashionable support for greyhound racing in front of a Dogs Prohibited sign. 

Four Year Terms? Fixed Terms? Fixed Four Year Terms? Part One - Polling

This week there was an article regarding a report released by a lobby group called 4 Year Terms Australia, which supports "fixed" four year terms for federal parliament.  The SMH report contained this very brief comment regarding polling:

"Polling commissioned from JWS Research found just one in five Australians supported the current system of three-year terms and the prime minister choosing the election date."

Well, from that it may sound like Australians would strongly support "fixed" four year terms, right?  In fact the polling cited tells a rather different story.

I've decided to write one article on this subject dealing mainly with the polling, to be probably (subject to time) followed by another in the near future dealing with the (de)merits of the issue.  That said there will be few surprises on the latter front to anyone who's seen my article re fixed terms in Tasmania or my 2025 JSCEM submission.   To summarise my views, I'm totally against "fixed" federal terms, whether by legislation or referendum.  I think that fixed term laws either fail to genuinely secure fixed dates or else prevent Prime Ministers from calling elections in circumstances where they should be able to.  I'm also against four year federal terms if it means eight year Senators.  

Wednesday, August 19, 2026

Group Ticket Voting In Victoria Is Finally Gone!

Today is Victoria's first day since the mid-2000s without Group Ticket Voting in state elections.  Legislation to abolish the system received Royal Assent yesterday.  It could still in theory be challenged in court but I doubt that would go too well for the challenger after the failed Bob Day federal challenge.

There's a saying that success has many fathers while failure is an orphan.  Meaning that when something good happens a lot of people suddenly want to claim the credit.  

Since group ticket voting was abolished in Victoria we've seen, for instance, GetUp! claiming partial credit for their petition which highlighted the recent attempt by Avi Yemini and others to register fake parties.  Yemini's defenders (including Topher Field in a ridiculous video where he abusively misunderstands comments to the Guardian by yours truly) have been out saying GetUp! and others who reacted were just "useful idiots" and their tactic with the fake parties was to generate exactly such outrage against group ticket voting to increase the chance of it being scrapped.  Well, to be useful idiots you firstly have to be useful so this suggests that GetUp! actually did do something after all.  I will say here that at least GetUp! only claimed partial credit while Yemini and co have had no compunction about claiming the lot.  But I'm not sure GetUp!'s petition with 22000+ "signatures" was ever even presented to anybody! I am nonetheless glad that they raised awareness of the issue.

Tuesday, July 28, 2026

Group Ticket Voting: Going, Going ... ? (Rolling Thread)

GTV repeal has passed Assembly unanimously and Legislative Council with a handful of votes against.

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There is more encouraging news on the Group Ticket Voting front today with the Allan Carroll Government finally amid the chaos introducing a Bill to scrap group ticket voting in the Victorian Legislative Council, called the Electoral Amendment (Miscellaneous Matters) Bill 2026.  This rolling thread will follow what happens with this Bill during the week and what is in it.  (A note that I am tracking the registration of deceptively named parties for the Victorian election in this prior post.)

What is known so far is that the Bill will "remove group voting tickets from Legislative Council elections and prescribe a new method for voting above the line, requiring electors to number at least five groups in order of preference. The bill will also make other consequential and miscellaneous amendments to clarify and improve the operation of the Electoral Act and the electoral system in Victoria."

This establishes that the Bill will support a semi-optional Senate-style preferential system (possibly the simple "five above or five below" option), presumably with savings provisions for voters who number fewer above the line boxes.  This is the sensible choice as it encourages preference flows compared to a fully optional preferencing version as in states with lower quotas.

Not-A-Poll Reset 2 of 2026: Allan Resigns

It's another success for voters in the Next Leader To Go Not-A-Poll as the outright majority favourite was indeed the next leader to depart, improving the record of Not-A-Poll to 8/15 including six of the last seven.

When I opened voting on 13 February there was a spirited initial battle between Jacinta Allan and Angus Taylor with the lead swapping a few times over several hours.  In following days Allan built a large lead with for some reason a lot of votes for her on 18 and 20 February.  Over time this grew into a majority.  Allan was a promising bet because her dire leadership ratings and her party's wobbly voting intention polling suggested there were two different ways she could go, and nobody else seemed especially likely to go before the Victorian election.


Allan formally resigned but was facing an active challenge that appeared very likely to succeed.  Had Allan resisted (assuming she had sufficient signatures) there would have been a member ballot in which she would have needed an overwhelming margin to defeat Ben Carroll.