If none of those apply, you'll probably find that voting above the line is easier.
I want to vote above the line for Party X but they've done a preference deal with Party Y and I don't want my preferences to go to Party Y, at least not ahead of Party Z.
They won't. Your preferences above the line can only go to Party Y if you choose to preference Party Y yourself. You can vote for party X then direct preferences to whatever other parties in whatever order you like. If you put party Y well down on the list, then your preference can only help Party Y beat any parties you have ranked even lower down or anyone you have left blank (this includes the ungrouped candidates). Any preference deals your party has done, or any preferences they give on their how-to-vote card, have no impact on your vote unless you follow that card yourself.
I've heard that I can just vote 1 above the line and stop and my vote will still be counted!
That's true, but only to a degree. If you do this (disobeying the official instructions) then your vote will only count for the party you've voted for. Once all that party's candidates are elected or excluded, your vote will exhaust and will play no further role in the election. It might make sense to vote this way (despite what the instructions say) if you only like one party and couldn't care less about any of the others, but really if that's your view you should learn more about the different parties. You will almost certainly find some of them appeal to you more than others.
I've heard that I can just vote 1 below the line and stop and my vote will still be counted!
That's not true. Such a vote would be informal. If you vote below the line you need at least the numbers 1 to 6, once and once only each, for your vote to be counted at all. It is better to follow the instructions and vote for at least 12.
This party I've never heard of has a cool-sounding name. Should I vote for it or preference it?
That's up to you, but again I suggest being cautious about parties you don't know much about. Their name may misrepresent what they are really on about, or some of their candidates may go off on a completely different track if they're elected.
If you don't have time to research parties before voting, then the best place to put parties you've never heard of is probably somewhere between the ones you moderately dislike and the ones you really cannot stand. If you don't dislike any parties, best to put the ones you've never heard of at the end.
Do you have a video on this?
I don't, but the Vic-Tas branch of the Proportional Representation Society of Australia do (from last election). I'm not associated with them, and I don't agree with all of it (they're very anti-above-the-line, but under the new system above-the-line voters have a greatly increased amount of control over their preferences, even if slightly less than below-the-line voters). But on the whole it's OK and does at least explain why people should keep filling in boxes, and not just stop when they reach the minimum.
Are there tools to help planning my vote, especially below the line?
Depending on where you live, there may be a lot of parties on the Senate ballot, as a large number of micro-parties with no chance of winning are still running anyway. (The number of party groups has come down a bit from last time though.) If you want to vote below the line and go more or less all the way, you may want to prepare your ballot beforehand so you have something to take to the booth and copy.
A few sites that may help you to vote below the line (if you want to) are likely to emerge and I will list them here as I become aware of them and they appear to be up to speed:
Senate voting card creator
https://www.clueyvoter.com/
geekLections - allows for both ATL and BTL but big caution - this site's default ordering uses a VoteCompass classification that gives some strange results (eg placing the completely wacko Citizens Electoral Council at the political centre - only use this site if you know enough about the parties to reorder those you may not like appropriately.)
Also http://www.donkeyvotie.org/ if you want to vote above the line (site also includes subjective party reviews that I may or may not endorse but are often funny anyway)
That concludes the simple questions (but feel free to ask me more in comments; you may want to check the comments last time to see if your question was already covered). On to the tricky, slightly naughty bit! The bit below the line is rated Wonk Factor 3/5 and is mainly for serious election and voting system junkies.
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Tactical Voting
Strong disclaimer: If you have read this section and are not sure that you completely understand it, please ignore it and pretend you never read it.
Most voting systems are prone to tactical voting of some kind; indeed, in some it's necessary. Under the first-past-the-post system in the UK it is often necessary for voters to vote tactically for their second or third preference party to ensure their vote isn't "wasted". In the Wentworth by-election, many left-wing voters voted 1 for Kerryn Phelps because she was more capable of winning from second than Labor was. Our preferential systems are much fairer than first-past-the-post, of course, but there are still ways of voting that can waste part of your vote's value, and ways to get around that if you want.
In this case I am not arguing that voters should vote tactically - I'm just explaining how they can do it if they want to. The ethical decision involved (since voting tactically effectively reduces the value of other voters' votes) is up to them.
Here is a good example. A voter really likes two candidates. One is on top of a major party ticket, the other is in a lowly position and considered in danger of not winning. They slightly prefer the first candidate, but might it actually be worth voting 1 for the second and 2 for the first instead?
Generally, the answer is yes, but only if not everyone does it, since if everyone did it then the first candidate wouldn't be so safe anymore. However, it's a fact that not everyone will do it, and you can rely on the party vote being high enough at this election that top-of-the-ticket major party candidates in states will definitely win.
The one principle of tactical voting I recommend to those who really want to do it is do not vote 1 for any candidate who you know or suspect will get elected more or less straightaway. Generally a strategic voter would therefore avoid a 1 vote for the first two major party candidates in a state, or in the ACT at this election for ALP #1. Voting below the line and starting at the bottom of your preferred party ticket - if you're a major party voter - is a common trick. But another one is to vote 1 for the second candidate (just to be really safe) of an agreeable micro-party which has no chance of winning at all, and then number the rest of the squares as you would normally. (The possible downside of this method is that your originally preferred party misses out on a few dollars of public funding. For people who think no parties should be funded, that's a benefit.)
You can also do this above-the-line if you want to, under the new system. Instead of voting 1 for any party that will poll more than 14.3% of the primary vote, you can deliberately give your 1 vote to a micro-party with absolutely no hope of winning and your second preference to your preferred party (then continue numbering parties in order). Your vote will flow at full value to the candidate from your party who is most likely to be fighting for the final seat. However, this does get a bit risky, because if too many people do it and select the same obviously hopeless micro-party, that micro-party might someday actually win!
Here's the mechanics behind all this. If you vote 1 for someone who is going to be elected right off the bat, you are giving them a vote they do not need. A portion of your vote is in effect left behind with them when their surplus is passed on, and your ballot paper in effect carries on to other candidates at a reduced value. (In some cases its value may be reduced to zero, through "loss due to fractions".) However, your vote also slightly increases the total passed-on value of all your chosen candidate's other votes. Effectively, 1 vote is still passed on, but instead of it being your vote at full value, it's a mishmash of your vote and bits of the vote of everyone else who voted for the same person.
This can make a big difference if you're voting across party lines. In some cases, voting 1 for a very popular candidate and then 2 for someone from a different party could actually harm the candidate you put second! (Note: don't do this deliberately to try to harm an opposing candidate, since you can harm them more then by just voting as you normally would.)
Advanced players may like to engage in a form of "preference-running" in which they try to strategise their vote so that it never gets caught with anyone who is elected until right at the end, and stays in the hunt at full value. It is actually really hard to pull this off, because multi-seat elections are so unpredictable. It often involves making difficult decisions about whether you would rather be sure of your vote reaching a favoured candidate, or take some risk of it not doing so to greatly increase the chance of another candidate you like. This sort of thing is so easy to misunderstand that I am not going to publicly give any advice on how to do it. Please don't ask.
Those interested in some real examples of the principle I recommend should see this old Tasmanian Times article (wonk factor 4/5). That article covers the Hare-Clark system as used in Tasmanian state elections. There is a slight difference with the Senate system in that in the Senate, if your vote reaches someone who is elected with a quota at a later count, part of the value of your vote will be passed on (though often not very much).
There is also one specific 2019 case where tactical voting may be a good idea that I should mention, as it's a good example of how voters might use tactical voting to rescue their party from a tactically daft preselection. If you are a Tasmanian Labor voter but don't mind which Senators represent your party, you will increase your party's chances of winning three seats by voting 1 for Lisa Singh below the line, followed by the other Labor candidates in whatever order you wish. Why? Because if Lisa Singh is excluded, her below the line votes will "leak" a lot to other parties, and this could be catastrophic for Labor's chances of three seats. On the other hand, if Singh takes over as Labor's effective number 3, her below the line votes will stay with the party and have no opportunity to leak. Therefore, voting 1 for Singh below the line is Labor's best chance of winning three seats (unless the number of voters doing so more than doubles from last time, which seems highly unlikely.)
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If I want to vote below the line and make sure a party gets the few dollars of public funding, can I vote 1 for a candidate who is placed at the bottom of the ticket, on a party which gets above 4%, but also gets eliminated early enough in the count for me to distribute my preferences (to minor parties which are likely to get below 4%)?
ReplyDeleteYes. The party whose candidate you vote 1 for gets public funding if it gets 4% or more.
DeleteAEC lady today told me "only 6 above the line". I pointed out that was wrong, that it was AT LEAST 6, and she angrily told me "well it won't matter anyway if you number more than that". I tried to explain that if e.g. the first 6 you number all exhaust without getting to quota then it very much does matter, but she clearly had no idea how any of this actually works.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure whether I should email the AEC complaining about that? It might only be a minor issue in the grand scheme, but it pisses me off that someone handing out voting forms would give voters incorrect information. Surely they covered that in training.
Thankyou. Which electorate?
DeleteThere were a large number of such cases last election.
It was Dunkley (pre-poll centre in Frankston). I don't want to complain too much about the AEC booth staff, most of them seemed to be well-meaning retirees wanting to contribute to the public good etc, but it annoys me that the staff don't seem to have been trained in what the rules actually are. I heard them discussing it afterwards while I was voting, they were all quite confused as to what they were supposed to tell people.
DeleteHave voted below the line in the past, happier with voting above the line since the changes.
ReplyDeletePossibly stupid question, but I'm trying to get my head around it to advise my parents. If you vote 1 for Labor, will your vote exhaust there? Or will some flow on to your next choices?
With a Labor above the line vote there are two likely results. If Labor wins the third seat in a state, or narrowly misses out on three, the vote will probably stay with Labor and never go anywhere else. If Labor wins two and the third candidate is excluded while there is still a fight on between other parties, then the vote will flow on to other parties but at a reduced value, with most of its value staying with the two Labor candidates already elected. A vote can only exhaust when every party (or for a below the line vote, candidate) that a voter has marked numbers for has had all its candidates either elected or excluded.
DeleteSorry to revisit an old thread but a theoretical question about below the line voting. I like one of the major party candidates and I also like one of the indy's. The major party candidate is in pretty much an unwinnable position if you just vote down the ticket or vote above the line while it's anybodies guess what happens to the indy. My question is, who should I give my 1 and 2 vote to maximise both of their chances to get up? The rest of the ballot paper I've got sorted just my 1 and 2 votes.
ReplyDeleteMy recommendation in this case based on chances of winning would be to just put the top 2 candidates in order of your preference - vote 1 for the one you like the most. If either candidate is not competitive then the order isn't going to matter. If both the independent and the major party candidate are competitive (because the major party candidate gets a lot of BTLs) then trying to work out which would be better placed to carry your vote forwards with the better chance of election is an extremely complex matter.
DeleteIf public funding is an issue for you then voting 1 for the independent increases their prospects of recovering their deposit and meeting the 4% threshhold for getting public funding for their campaign.
Thanks Dr Bonham and just as an aside the 4% never even came into it.
ReplyDeletehttps://www.clueyvoter.com/ is up for 2019. As is http://www.donkeyvotie.org/ but you've listed my favourite voting tool
ReplyDeleteThanks for a great site which i just discovered on the morning of voting day. I had a pretty good grasp before but this helped fine-tune the strategy, especially about going beyond the minimum 6 or 12. You exlain well and I even followed most of the wonk section about strategic voting - not too hard provided you have some prior knowledge of quotas etc.
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