tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052593945054595675.post1233973914641876350..comments2024-03-28T14:16:10.498+11:00Comments on Dr Kevin Bonham: Jacqui Lambie And The British Thug Far RightKevin Bonhamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06845545257440242894noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052593945054595675.post-16160037551524345452014-09-24T11:48:55.995+10:002014-09-24T11:48:55.995+10:00Comment received from Hans Willink:
=============...Comment received from Hans Willink: <br />============================<br />Ms Lambies views are ill informed. The burqa issue is more complex than portrayed. Personally I think it's an issue of time and place. 99% of the time it should be perfectly acceptable for anyone to cover up their face and in doing so become unrecognisable, including islamic, burqa wearing women. No-one objects to people wearing motor cycle helmets whilst riding a bike or wearing a towel over their head if it's a sunny day but no-one wants the government to know who and where they are, for every minute of every day. On the other hand, there are times of increased threat to the community, when the minor inconvenience of exposing your face to be recognised for a few seconds may be outweighed by the communities desire to know who you are and if you are a threat to them. That's why you can't wear motor cycle helmets in banks and perhaps why you shouldn't wear a burqa upon entering airport security or the MCG on Grand Final Day, particularly if facial scanning programs are operating. (as far as I'm concerned, you can wear one before and after entering, though). I will qualify this by saying that even face coverings might be OK, if alternate identification technologies are available. For example, in Argentina fingerprint identification is “everywhere” ie you need your finger scanned to get any payment from the government and eye scanning has also come a long way. As far as government knowing where you are at every minute of the day; well, they probably already do if you have a smart phone in your pocket and you have previously been identified as a "person of interest".<br /><br />Perhaps then, we are dealing with what's the chicken and what's the egg. What libertarians and others should be debating is the public's right to anonymity vs the community's right to safety. Of course the civil libertarians will pose that most difficult question “biometric identification technologies might be OK when Governments are benevolent, but what happens when they aren't? What might Hitler have done had he had access to them?” That is a very difficult question to answer. Indeed one wonders if are toxic governments today that may be misusing them.<br />Kevin Bonhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06845545257440242894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052593945054595675.post-61406566011650418072014-09-22T18:10:52.712+10:002014-09-22T18:10:52.712+10:00Firstly, a factual correction: Lambie has fought i...Firstly, a factual correction: Lambie has fought in no wars anywhere. Obviously she was a career soldier prepared to do so, but it didn't actually happen, as a result of injuries sustained in training.<br /><br />Bygone relic or not, I think it burqa-wearing is up to the individual so long as they do not provide an increased security threat in the process, and have not been coerced. In the arguments advanced in France (where the measure had broad political support) there's an aspect of the ban being enforced because of societal discomfort, and also an aspect that people are being forced to be free. <br /><br />I don't agree with either of those things for a country that would claim to be liberal. I'm very uncomfortable with paternalistic arguments that a person cannot use their freedom in certain ways (that harm nobody else) just because it is not in their own interests, except in cases where it is absolutely beyond doubt that this is so. And if we are going to start picking links to bygone eras in Islamic faith and morality we can probably find many of those in Christianity that no-one is about to have banned.Kevin Bonhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06845545257440242894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052593945054595675.post-59887884454495346782014-09-22T17:50:45.842+10:002014-09-22T17:50:45.842+10:00I've added a codicil that the procedure be onl...I've added a codicil that the procedure be only available in cases in which someone resigns or is sacked from their party, and only til that person's next election, to prevent misuse against any party or independent with a mandate to represent their ideas. All the same I realise it might still be controversial.Kevin Bonhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06845545257440242894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052593945054595675.post-6268068932051520852014-09-22T16:51:23.479+10:002014-09-22T16:51:23.479+10:00Kevin, there seemed to be little Australian intere...Kevin, there seemed to be little Australian interest when the Country of France banned the wearing of burqua's throughout the entirety of their lands.<br />I myself view this matter as a relict of a bygone era when ancient Arab clerics were insistent on maintaining severe female oppression by force.<br />Why not these people assimilate to our modern Australian customs for they came of their own choice to settle on Australian lands.<br />We ourselves are not constricted by ancient mythical writings and abiding's from many centuries of long ago.<br />I see Jacqui Lambie as an Australian who has fought a war in a country not a threat to us, but were ordered by Liberal party leaders who were eager to send our troops to war by way of American demand.williambtmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17652961229049813721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052593945054595675.post-90721474153743487392014-09-22T14:53:57.684+10:002014-09-22T14:53:57.684+10:00Excellent article, Kevin. One wonders whether Palm...Excellent article, Kevin. One wonders whether Palmer knew Lambie's full history. <br /><br />I would take issue with setting up a tainted vote procedure. It sets a dangerous precedent, because it could be used to marginalise much less extreme views in future parliaments. I prefer the current democratic chaos to a system where the majors sew up the duopoly tight as a drum.<br /><br />Paul Montgomeryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18345309776406933213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052593945054595675.post-41552643081789102172014-09-22T00:37:35.643+10:002014-09-22T00:37:35.643+10:00I did notice a disturbingly high number of anonymo...I did notice a disturbingly high number of anonymous up-ratings for some of the jumpier posts in the Examiner's comment sections today, though the jumpy posts themselves were fairly scarce and seemed to be written mostly by interstate posters.Kevin Bonhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06845545257440242894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052593945054595675.post-1582433065979226272014-09-22T00:37:18.913+10:002014-09-22T00:37:18.913+10:00I can confirm that Halal Choices was a prominently...I can confirm that Halal Choices was a prominently displayed "like" on Lambie's pre-PUP Facebook courtesy of a partial screenshot I've been sent.Kevin Bonhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06845545257440242894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4052593945054595675.post-22198644984882104302014-09-21T21:12:33.247+10:002014-09-21T21:12:33.247+10:00Just wrote a long comment but was deleted when I c...Just wrote a long comment but was deleted when I clicked 'Publish'.. Fuck.. <br /><br />To sum up - <br /><br />This is probably the best analysis of Lambie I've read.. It is a damn shame that she attracts such a huge amount of media interest every time she opens her mouth. <br /><br />I reckon her 'explanation' is a poorly constructed cover story and that she had no idea what she was reposting on Facebook. She might have some opinions on the subject but they have nothing to do with the views of British First. Or any that exist are merely coincidental. <br /><br />But where I think you might have misjudged things is in suggesting that the opinions she is expressing (as confused as they seem) do not reflect those of the average Tassie battler.. Even thought we don't face the same tensions as Western Sydney etc, a quick skim of many Tassie FB threads will reveal that folks here have drunk the Terror threat Kool Aid quite Liberally, so to speak. They might blame Greenies for their personal woes, but as they are the only folks standing up for marginalised communities, the hatred is all the more vicious. <br /><br />It made better sense the first time I wrote it! Simon de little https://www.blogger.com/profile/10042337139314135493noreply@blogger.com